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Manhunt 2 News | Jack Thompson Comments On Manhunt 2
<p> Jack Thompson and Take Two have been exchanging several emails over the course
of the last week or so and the bulk of them are published over at Game Politics.
Jack commented on Manhunt 2 saying that Take Two would live to regret the mature
rating the game has received. As well as sending the email to Take Two he also
sent it to other places like the FTC and the CCFC publicly stating that anyone
underage is able to buy Manhunt 2 from rockstargames.com because an age verification
system isn't in place something Take Two have denied. </p>
<p>This is the email Jack sent out:</p>
<blockquote>

<p>Congratulations on receiving a &#8220;Mature&#8221; rating for Manhunt 2.
You&#8217;ll live to regret it (trust me), so enjoy it while you can.</p>
<p>I want to bring to your attention the fact that at www.rockstargames.com
anyone of any age can order Manhunt 2 and receive it, with no age verification
whatsoever. Asking a 14-year-old if he&#8217;s 17 is not age verification,
now is it?</p>
<p>You also know that the use of a bank card as an age verifier is a violation
of all bank card agreements, right?</p>
<p>Govern yourselves accordingly, if you can.</p>

<p>Regards, Jack Thompson </p>
</blockquote>
<p>Take Two replied with the following:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The Take Two website verifies age in two ways. First, consumers who purchase
M or RP rated games certify that they are at least 17 years of age. Numerous
websites use the same method for verifying age in connection with sales of
movies and games. Second, we verify age through the use of a credit card number
in connection with a transaction. Such transaction based verification is acceptable
to both credit card companies and the FTC </p>
<p>(see, e.g. http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/coppa.shtm).</p>
<p>We demand that you cease making these false statements about our online sales
practices. Your dissemination of knowingly false statements for the purpose
of adversely affecting Take-Two&#8217;s business is actionable and we reserve
all of our rights under the settlement agreement and state and federal law.</p>

<p>If you continue to make false statements to an audience of press and public
officials, however, we will have no choice but to take action against you.
</p>
</blockquote>
<p>You can read the emails in full at the link below.</p>
<p><strong>Source:</strong> <a href="http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/31/take-two-warns-jack-thompson-over-manhunt-2/" target="_blank">Game
Politics</a></p>
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Manhunt 2 News | Un-edited Manhunt 2 Destined for Holland?
<p> <a href="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28176/Manhunt-2-given-release-in-PAL-territory" target="_blank">MCV</a>
is reporting that Rockstar are free to release the un-edited version of Manhunt
2 in Holland as the Dutch Ministry are unable to prevent it from being released
due to it &#8216;conflicting&#8217; with current Netherlands law.</p>

<blockquote>
<p>The Dutch Ministry has declined to intervene in the title&#8217;s path to
retail in the territory &#8211; as it would conflict with current Netherlands
law. </p>
<p>According to the Associated Press, it will still be possible to prosecute
people who distribute the game to those under 16-years-old, but no such case
has yet been tried in the country.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is pretty exciting news if it does come to fruition as not only does it
mean that the game can be played as it was originally intended but it also means
that players in PAL territories will be able to play the game without the need
to use a freeloader or buy an NTSC console.</p>
<p>Everyone, keep your fingers firmly crossed!</p>
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Posted on: Aug 30 09:20 pm 2007 by: pogo


Manhunt 2 News | Yee Responds to the ESRB
<p> <a href="http://gamepolitics.com/2007/08/29/yee-what-is-esrb-trying-to-hide/" target="_blank">Game
Politics</a> have posted the response of Senator Leland Yee to the press release
issued by the ESRB on Tuesday:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>What are they trying to hide? Unsurprisingly, the culture of secrecy continues
at the ESRB. </p>
<p>Even individuals within the video game industry are now calling into question
their rating system. Parents simply can not trust an entity that is unwilling
to disclose or give any meaningful rationale at how they come to their decisions.
</p>

<p>The ESRB refuses to use the AO rating for violence despite the descriptor
calling for such a rating when there are &#8220;graphic depictions of violence.&#8221;
If Manhunt doesn&#8217;t qualify, what would? </p>
<p>Combined with the use of the ambiguous term &#8220;Mature,&#8221; many parents
are left with a false sense of how violent an M-rated game may be; and obviously
even many retailers as the Federal Trade Commission secret shopper study suggests.
Using the numbers generated by the FTC, 42 out of 100 kids who want to purchase
Manhunt 2 will be able to do so.</p>
<p>When weighing in on laws to prohibit the sale of ultra-violent video games
to children, the industry has said over and over, &#8220;trust us; our rating
system will protect children.&#8221; This latest episode demonstrates once
again that the ESRB in fact can not be trusted.</p>

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Posted on: Aug 30 05:44 am 2007 by: pogo


Manhunt 2 News | Manhunt 2 UK Appeal Update
<p> Many people in the UK are wondering what the current status of Manhunt 2 is
in regards to the current appeal against the BBFC's refusal to rate Manhunt
2. Well it turns out that UK based trade magazine MCV have contacted Rockstar
in regards to the matter, currently in the hands of the Video Appeals Committee,
in a response to them Rockstar have said the following:</p>
<blockquote>
<p> It is very good news that Manhunt 2 has now been rated Mature for North
America and will be released October 31. However, we have no updated information
on the BBFC status of the game.</p>
</blockquote>

<p> What is interesting here is the fact that in the article MCV relate to Manhunt
2 as being the original version currently being reviewed by the Video Appeals
Committee and that it is thought if it is refused for a second time that Rockstar
will submit the modified version of the game. What would happen if the original
version of the game is cleared in the UK? Would you import it?</p>
<p><strong>Source:</strong> <a href="http://www.mcvuk.com/news/28156/Rockstar-still-in-the-dark-over-Manhunt-2-UK-appeal" target="_blank">MCV
UK</a></p>
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Manhunt 2 News | Industry Reps Chime in About AO Rating
<p> In an attempt to get to the end of the AO rating debate and its effects on
the videogame industry, GameDaily Biz has tracked down select industry insiders
and asked them to weight in on the rating and its implications on the industry.</p>
<p>Representing the game developers is Jason Della Rocca, the Executive Director
of International Game Developers Association (IGDA) and game developers Vince
Desi (Running with Scissors) And Denis Dyack (Silicon Knights). Speaking on
behalf of video game retailers is Bo Andersen, President of the Entertainment
Merchants Association (EMA) and finally representing the game consumers is Hal
Halpin the head of the Entertainment Consumers Association (ESA).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.runningwithscissors.com/" target="_blank">Running with Scissors</a> head,
Vince Desi, unsurprisingly believes that developers should have the right to
choose what kind of game they want to make and consumers should be able to purchase
it:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>The crux of the issue is that AO is the kiss of death for retail acceptance;
it's pure bullshit. An AO-rated game should be available in a free society,
maybe not in every game store, but that's another problem--in the early days
of video, vhs, there were many mom and pop shops, independents, porn was available
if you wanted it, and then Blockbuster came along and we all got f***ed. </p>

</blockquote>
<p>Denis Dyack (president of <a href="http://www.siliconknights.com/" target="_blank">Silicon
Knights</a>) believes that the videogame industry is being singled out and suggests
that a revised ratings system might be in order: </p>
<blockquote>
<p>The latest AO issue around Manhunt has sparked a great deal of debate and
is a complex issue. There is nothing necessarily wrong with an AO rated game.
An AO rating should not be looked upon as a bad thing and should be viewed
as the equivalent to Hollywood's NC-17 rating. However, because our industry
is new and under undue scrutiny, the perception of an AO rating in mainstream
society today does not equate to the view of an NC-17 rating. An AO rating
is seen as much worse and more detrimental to society.</p>
<p> Further, some proprietary game hardware manufacturers make the AO rating
perception worse by refusing to license certain rated products on their system.
With this scenario, the creators cannot get product out to consumers and it
causes the AO rating to be the kiss of death for a game. This problem has
to be solved, you would never hear Toshiba, for example, say that it won't
allow certain DVD movies to play on its system based on ratings. We have to
come up with something that is publicly accepted, or we will be faced with
an unwitting self censorship in our industry. Perhaps a rating between Mature
and AO.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Jason Della Rocca, the Executive Director of <a href="http://www.igda.org/" target="_blank">IGDA</a>
says that Microsoft, Nintendo and Sony have the right not to allow AO rated
games on their console and suggests that the PC might be the way to go in the
future for such titles:</p>

<blockquote>
<p>As owners of private and proprietary platforms, Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo have
every right to decide what does, or does not, get approval. I've always held
that the market is the most powerful censor. That could mean consumers voting
with their wallets, or retailers opting not to carry AO-rated games, etc.
That's the market at work and the key here is that government does not get
involved.</p>
<p>While I may not personally like the fact that the platform holders wield
such power to, in effect, censor the expression of game developers, it is
their right to do so. Thankfully, the PC is an open platform...</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.theeca.com/" target="_blank">ECA</a> head, Hal Halpin suggests that now
might be a good time for the console manufacturers to rethink their positions
on the situation as well as offering his opinion on how the ESRB handed the
rating of Manhunt 2:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>One of the positives that could well come out of the situation may be that
we &#8211; the industry and gamers &#8211; collectively take a look at this
paradigm and address it. I believe that the console manufacturers' statements
of position go fairly far back, and to the best of my knowledge haven't been
re-assessed recently. With the average age of game consumer steadily maturing
and a concurrent rise in mature content in all other forms of media, it appears
the right time to take a look at our positions and see if we're not doing
them an injustice.</p>

<p>In this instance I think that the ESRB did exactly what they were supposed
to do, and under quite a spotlight as well. With new leadership the ESA,
consumers having a collective voice for the first time through the ECA and
the retailers and developers so well represented through the EMA and IGDA,
I'm certain that we can come together to examine the matter... it's for the
collective good.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Bo Andersen, President of the <a href="http://www.entmerch.org/" target="_blank">EMA</a> doesn't
believe that retailers should sell AO rated titles if they don't wish too:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Retailers are doing exactly what you would want them to do with respect to
exercising individual choice&#8230; It&#8217;s as important in my view that
retailers and individuals have the right to not carry a product as it is for
them to be free to carry it.</p>
<p>You won't find folks more staunch on the First Amendment and freedom of speech
than us, and while I might feel that overall society is not harmed and might
be advanced if there were some retailers who chose to sell AO-rated games,
the truth is I feel actually better however they make their decision that
they're making it on an individual basis and that they're exercising this
free speech right.</p>

<p>Sure, I understand that if almost all the major retailers intend to pursue
an aggressive family friendly marketing posture with their customers that
it has the effect of virtually eliminating a market for AO-rated games, but
the right that's being exercised here is more important in my view than what
the costs might be.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It seems pretty prominent amongst developers that the current ratings system
is an issue for them and is a constant constraint on them.</p>
<p>I do wish more people within the industry would chime in about the BBFC at
this point though, it was through them that this whole situation kicked off
and lets not forget Manhunt 2 was all-out refused classification by the BBFC,
at least the ESRB issued the game with a rating, one that was implausible but
it was a rating nonetheless.</p>
<p><strong>Source:</strong> <a href="http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/feature/?id=17257" target="_blank">GameDaily
Biz</a></p>
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Posted on: Aug 28 09:24 pm 2007 by: pogo


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